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jean king, we've had mika before, we hope we'll have her again. and a lot of people. >> and by the way, number 47 with a bullet, nbc universal's own bonnie hammer. >> we're doing a great panel on the news business with andrea mitchell. >> oh, very cool. i love it. that does it for us this morning. >> thanks for having me. congratulations on ten years, i forgot to say. >> thank you so much. >> we're all so old. all right. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. thanks so much, mika. good morning, i'm stephanie ruhle. we're taking you down to puerto rico. first light, puerto rico waking up to the aftermath of hurricane maria. the worst hurricane to hit that island in a century. >> have you ever seen anything like this? >> me? never. time is running out in mexico as rescuers comb through what's left of a school after that deadly earthquake in mexico city. >> there's about 20 kids that we
still don't know how they are, if they're even alive. and new reports of what robert mueller wants to know about president donald trump, including that meeting with russians in the oval office. >> you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made-up story. >> hmm, made-up story. we're going to begin with the twin disasters impacting millions of people as we speak. in mexico, it was an earthquake. in puerto rico, a hurricane. but in both places, those populations, even the landscapes, have been forever changed. our team covering all the developments starting in san juan, puerto rico, where nbc's tammy leitner is there. tammy, i'm glad to see that you're safe. i know you spent last night abowith first responders. when i spoke to the mayor of san juan yesterday, she said that the at the that she knows is gone. what are you seeing? >> reporter: there is no doubt that puerto rico, san juan, is changed forever. keep in mind san juan is one of the biggest metropolitan cities
here, and it's taken a huge hit, as you can see. but now some of the more rural areas, rural towns that we traveled to before the hurricane, those were really hard hit. those still had no power and no water from irma. and now they're going to have to recover from this one. what we've seen is roads that have been turned to rivers. roofs ripped off houses like tin cans, windows shattered. one of the biggest problems is that first responders are having a hard time getting to some of these rural areas. that's why the coast guard is coming in to assist and bringing in military helicopters to help with that. back to you. >> tammy, stay safe. those images are stunning. i was in puerto rico last week and i cannot believe that is san juan today. i want to take you to nbc meteorologist bill karins. bill, where is maria headed next? could it eventually hit the east coast? i've been wishing it's going into the ocean, into the ocean. please tell me that's the case. >> and it is. it's heading off the shore and
not going to affect the east coast besides big huge waves and rip currents so we can put that to rest. currently the huge eye is just off the dominican republic. the rain bands are still over the top of puerto rico and that's been the story. once the winds were finished doing the destruction, the rain hasn't stopped. one location has picked up three feet of rain in a little over 24 hours. remember, houston picked up three feet of rain in three days. you can imagine in the mountainous areas what that 2 to 3 feet of rain has done. we haven't come close to scratching the surface on the worst destructive pictures out of puerto rico. we have flash flood warnings that cover at least three-quarters of the country. that's three-quarters of the nation under flash flood warnings. they're staying catastrophic flooding is still ongoing. here's the eye on a closer view and you can see it raking the north shore of the dominican republic. the turks and caicos, it does look to pass to your east and then it goes out to sea in
between bermuda and cape hatteras. large waves, but that should be the worst of it. we're still waiting to get some pictures from umacow. this picture was taken yesterday with this gentleman trying to go through his property to see what remained. you can see everything ripped apart. other houses, roofs ripped off. that's very common throughout the area that saw the highest winds right along the shore.ima shows you this gentleman going through his house. all the trees, leaves gone. a lot of trees down, roof structure also as you'd expect. and this is the story today, stephanie, trying to clear the roads. this is in san juan. that's what they'll be doing, trying to clear the roads to get to these people that need all the help. remember, they can't call for rescue. there's no cell phone service, there's no power. a lot of people are trying to get help and asking for help and they don't have a way of getting
it. even the first responders are struggling to communicate with each other. >> a positive is that the roads aren't flooded. we have to remember san juan is not just an urban center, much of it is rural. outside the city area, the building codes are different. you had to your point those wooden structures with tin or zinc roofs. we are thinking about our friends and family in puerto rico. now to mexico where dramatic rescue efforts have captured the attention of the nation, of the world. people there clinging to symbols of hope amid the aftermath of tuesday's deadly earthquake. we know that at least 54 people have been pulled from the rubble alive and we are praying for more. as we speak, rescuers are trying to reach a little girl who says her name is freida. she is trapped inside her collapsed school and says there are other children alive in the same space. msnbc's mariana atencio is in mexico city with the latest. mariana, what is going on? >> reporter: stephanie, the name
freida, as you said, it is resonating far and wide in this country because this little girl, who is believed to be named freida, has really captured sort of the rescue efforts, the hope and the resilience here in mexico. she is believed to be in the rubble at the enrique primary school in mexico city behind me. all morning long we have seen a very active scene here. just as i was making my way here, i heard people yelling, is there a doctor, we need volunteers. there have been cranes, ambulances going in and out. you can see it from above from this third story building where i've made my way up to today. still very active. this little girl was able to communicate with first responders. in fact, i just spoke to a firefighter this morning who said he was able to provide some oxygen for this girl who is believed to be named freida. she also believed to have said that she is protecting herself underneath a very strong table. and in fact her words have really captured the headlines here in mexico as well.
this is milenio newspaper. freida's words, i am underneath a very strong table. really grabbing the headlines here. she's also believed to have been communicating with other children, as you mentioned. so days into this rescue mission, these active rescues continue to be the priority. president enrique pena nieto speaking to the country overnight saying more than 50 people have been pulled from the rubble. more than a million people have received medical help. and 95% of the power has been restored. but again, these active rescues continue to be the essence of everything here. this little girl, this name freida, which is so symbolic of mexican culture, has again encapsulated the hope and resilience of this country so brutally shattered by mother nature. stephanie. >> mariana, is the school behind you? you said you're in a three-story building now and that school was a three-story building, then
flattened like a pancake, three slabs of concrete. is the school behind you? >> so i'm on a third story building right now. the school you can see parts of it are flat like a pancake because it was one side of it that collapsed. you can see that i'm point to my right. there's still part of the school that is standing to my left. you can see that there are people sort of behind a white tent over there and they have been going underground in a hole there that's underneath a zinc roof. hopefully you can make that out from here. there's also a blue tent across the street that is the spot where the doctors have been located, rushing oxygen and whatever is needed across the street at times. there's also this crane now that just appeared on the scene a couple of minutes ago as i was making my way up here. so again, still a very active scene. this is being led by the mexican marine and the mexican military. hopefully you can make out just
sort of the movement that we've been seeing here this morning as rescuers try to rescue this girl, believed to be named freida, but also other people. because this little girl as you mentioned has been communicating with other children. that means there is still hope for many that are trapped underneath the rubble this morning here, stephanie. >> do you know how old she is? mariana, how old is she? >> reporter: freida is believed, according to local media, to be 12 years old. her name is believed to be freida sophia. yesterday first responders saying they were able to communicate with her. i spoke to a first responder today who said he was able to provide some ordexygen for her there's still a lot of hope not only for her but other children she is believed to be communicating with. we are going to be here all day for you, stephanie, reporting on this situation and telling you the latest and hopefully a positive outcome here in mexico
city. >> all right, mariana, please check back in with us. we want to hear how things are going there. mariana atencio joining us from mexico city. our thoughts and prayers with all of those schoolchildren. we're going to take a break. next. new reports that special counsel robert mueller has questioned extensive documents from the white house. does he have the president squarely in his sights. r compan, but we make more than our name suggests. we're an organic tea company. a premium juice company. a coconut water company. we've got drinks for long days. for birthdays. for turning over new leaves. and we make them for every moment in every corner of the country. we are the coca-cola company, and we're proud to offer so much more.
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stephanie ruhle with breaking news. these on your television are live pictures of hurricane maria taking aim now at the dominican republic. the category 3 storm making its way across the caribbean after decimating puerto rico, where the power is still out across the island, as millions begin a long recovery process that could take several months. we're going to keep you posted on that storm. now let's go across the ocean to russia. the russia investigation and detailed new reports indicating that president trump is squarely in robert mueller's sights. according to both "the new york times" and "the washington post," the special counsel has requested extensive white house records and e-mails relating to some of the president's most controversial actions. they include, of course, of course, the firing of fbi director jim comey and national security advisor michael flynn. mueller is also looking closely at former campaign chairman paul manafort who we now know offered private briefings on the campaign to a russian
billionaire with very close ties to the kremlin. his spokesman confirmed the offer to nbc news, but said manafort did nothing wrong. i need to bring in a fantastic panel today. shannon pettypiece, steve kornacki, msnbc's national political correspondent, and elise jordan, an msnbc analyst, "time" magazine columnist and former advisor to senator rand paul. shannon, you're on remote so we'll let you go first. let's start with what we have learned about the mueller investigation. a lot of new details about what he is looking at. this isn't just the campaign and russian meddling, this is president trump. >> steph, this was really only a matter of time. we've known that mueller was interested in the comey firing, we know he's been interested in michael flynn and we know he's been interested in the statement that don junior made about this trump tower meeting. this was an investigation that should have been a campaign-related investigation, should have stayed with the campaign, but because of
missteps made at the white house around statements made around the comey firing, around drafting this don junior statement on air force one with white house officials, this has now become a west wing investigation. mueller over the summer has slowly been marching his way to the white house and now we are at the moment where he is requesting the documents, he's requesting interviews with staff and this is quickly going to cast a cloud of paranoia and stress over the west wing if it hasn't already. >> i'm pretty sure they have been stressed and paranoid for quite some time. i also don't think it's been a slow march. it feels like it's been a streamline. i want to talk about these documents that were described to "the new york times," quote, the president telling russians that he was not under investigation and that he fired the head of the fbi because he was crazy, a real nut job, and that trump faced great pressure because of russia and now that's taken off. the fact that "the new york times" has that, does that tell you that robert mueller has shifted this investigation to
the president and focusing on obstruction of justice? >> well, it tells us that one area that robert mueller is looking into now involves donald trump and some of these actions and some of these decisions. it doesn't tell us that is squarely the focus of robert mueller. it doesn't tell us there aren't other areas he's looking at, it doesn't tell us that's his main focus. i feel like we get little eruptions of reporting here and there in this story that could mean multiple things. obviously it's a big deal to learn that this is an area that's attracted the focus of robert mueller. of course we had some reporting a few weeks ago that he was already interested in the issue of that initial statement saying that the meeting with the russians was about an adoption issue, was not about -- not getting any indication it was about campaign issues. so i can only say what we know. we know he's now looking in this area. to the extent that's going to amount to anything in terms of any kind of charges, we'll see. to the extent there's anything else out there, we'll see. these stories, i tell you, my
point of reference is you think back, whitewater in the 1990s, how many times people felt this was, oh, they have got this guy close to the clintons right now. how many times it felt like it was close to coming to a head and of course it did go on for four or five years. >> that might be the case here. elise, for you what sticks out? even if they're not close, even if this goes on for years and years, president trump has said over and over again this is a ruse, it's made up, there's nothing. i mean i don't know, robert mueller seems pretty stuck in on something. >> two things have changed in my mind as i see it lately. president trump is actually for the first part been showing more restraint on his twitter handle the way he's tweeting. he seems like he is trying to be as much as he possibly can restrain himself. >> his approval ratings are up. >> his approval rating is up. much like in the campaign, when he would start to behave a week or two, his approval ratings would correlate. the second thing is, you look at
this internal strife between the president's legal team as so vividly on display at washington's blt steakhouse and having an open conversation that was overheard by "the new york times" and reported about ty cobb, the president's special counsel, disagreeing with the white house counsel approach to giving these documents up and what are these documents that he was talking about. the initial letter recommending comey's firing. so there's that much internal turmoil over people worrying about their own problems and their own culpability within an investigation, i think that's a very troubling development for president trump. >> shannon, you wrote specifically about that. this investigation, as it grows wider and deeper, the mistrust in the white house is only growing stronger. what can you tell us about that? i've spoken to someone in the white house that said it is so hairy and complicated, people simply just keep their heads down and try not to interact with anyone that they don't absolutely have to. >> right. and if you look at the ghosts of
investigations past, steve was mentioning whitewater, i talked to some people involved in the whitewater investigation. they said people are going to hire lawyers and we already know hope hicks, don mcgahn, others have been hiring lawyers. the lawyers are going to tell them not to talk to anyone. the lawyers are going to tell them to leave the room if talk of russia comes up. people will start wondering what is this other person saying about me. there was an axios report this morning that sean spicer's notebooks potentially could be relevant. back in whitewater there was an aide that kept very detailed notes. his diaries were subpoenaed. those became part of the investigation. so anything anyone ever wrote down or said about you could get dragged into this. whatever collegiality there was in the west wing of high fiving and joking around, people said in whitewater, that went right away. there was a cloud over the white house. it dampened the mood and it distracted people as they worried about what stress this was going to mean for their
personal lives, financially or in the press. >> yes, we've heard many, many times over this is draining. the personal finances. michael caputo said he had to liquidate his kids' college fund which has gotten sympathy from very, very few people. on that axios report, it said sean spicer filled out notebook after notebook during the campaign. he was known for doing this. mike allen called it, quote, a potential honey pot for robert mueller. what do you think about that? >> all this talk about whitewater from 20 years ago, talking about the experience of whitewater where you had the issue of a diary and some detailed notes that ended up being part of the investigation there and one of the lessons that i think a lot of sort of people in washington, players in washington drew from that is sometimes it's better not to be taking notes that are that detailed. you could even go back to iran contra, george h.w. bush, the vice president through ronald reagan, he was dogged through his entire presidency because
the independent counsel wanted his diary. his diary entries could detail what did the vice president know about iran contra and when did he know it. it was the diary they were after. i thought spicer's response to mike allen, apparently mike allen is somebody who sean spicer has had a professional relationship with for a dozen years or so. mike allen asks him about it and he seemed to suggest, hey, if you talk to me again, i'm going to alert my lawyers. it was a very strange response. >> report him to authorities. what authorities do you report a journalist to for asking a question when you remember formerly the white house press secretary and a communications professional in washington, d.c. for a decade? >> answer me this. sean spicer all business. people in the white house have lawyers right, left and center and there's a lot of anxiety. i talk to people who said jared and ivanka, they're out there with their massive aentourages t the u.n. ivanka has her whole posse.
she's got a bigger staff than melania does. jared is out at dinners. they don't seem to be sweating this out. shannon, have you heard anything? >> i haven't. but they -- i do feel, i guess, they haven't taken a lower profile. but when i talk to people in this investigation, they say that they should be concerned, especially jared kushner and his business, because there is a sense, and i haven't heard this happening yet, but there is a sense that kushner's business is going to be looked at too. so we've reported that trump's business has been looked at by mueller. that kushner's business is going to be looked at too. >> maybe chris christie could help him look into kushner's business. remember, he did put jared's dad in jail. >> jared kushner has been through something like this at a personal, family level. he was a teenager when this happened. but he watched his father indicted and sent off to federal prison. at a very young age, jared kushner took his father's place at the head of the kushner real
estate empire. an his father, his father publicly kept a very straight stoic face through all of that. so i think that's something jared kushner left an impression on him at a young age. >> i'd like to point out that president trump seems to think it's okay to take mom and pop donations to the rnc to cover his own and his son's legal expenses, so perhaps jared and ivanka are just counting on having all of that covered by the supporters of the republican national committee. >> isn't that amazing, our first multi billionaire president, and he's letting donors cover his legal bills. that's just a stunning one to me. i'll leave it at that. shannon, thank you. you two please stick around. coming up, we'll head back to puerto rico and mexico, both struggling to recover after major national disasters. we'll take you back to san juan and mexico city for the latest. before we go, the president isn't the only trump getting attention for a speech at the u.n. yesterday at a luncheon, please turn up the volume for this. the first lady spoke about protecting children and the importance of family for a
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welcome back. time now for your morning primer, everything you need to know to get your day started, beginning with president trump still in new york. i can tell you the traffic is brutal! today he has meetings scheduled with five world leaders, starting with the president of the afghanistan as we speak. he will leave new york this evening, going to club in bedminster, new jersey. a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll shows president trump's approval rating has jumped three points, up to 43%. more than 70% of americans supported his recent deal with democratic leaders for hurricane relief and to keep the government open. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said he will bring the cassidy/graham health care bill to the floor for a vote assel as next week. we'll have more details on what
is in the bill in just a few minutes. a sixth person has been arrested in connection with last week's terror incident on a london train. 30 people were injured when an ied sent a fire ball through a train car. the state of florida has temporarily suspended the license of a florida nursing home where now a total of nine residents died. a transformer powering the air conditioning unit lost power during hurricane irma. also this hour, we are monitoring the situation in mexico city as rescue crews desperately try to reach a girl trapped in the rubble of a grade school. at least 230 people are believed to have died across the country after this week's 7.1 magnitude earthquake. nbc's steve patterson is live in mexico city. steve, you've been there for the last 36 hours. how much progress is being made? >> reporter: so significant progress, stephanie. we spoke about this yesterday during our breaking coverage. this is the focus really of the entire country at this point.
this rescue of this one girl. so much hope is riding on this because of how grim these last few hours have been, and now we're in a situation in which we're nearing 48 hours, a very crucial time when it comes to a rescue effort. that's the work that's being done right now behind me. 21 young students, elementary schoolers, were killed when this building collapsed during the earthquake, that 7.1 devastating earthquake. four stories fell on each other trapping people inside. another four teachers were caught in that as well, so 25 total killed. they identified the young girl inside the rubble. she's about 12 years old in an area where they do believe there may be a pocket of survivors after they managed to find her vital signs and got down to her. so what they're trying to do is to pull the debris off, but they have to do it so carefully, so delicately because they don't want to cause another situation
in which more rubble comes and crushes the area that's in there already. so they're thinking about a number of options, including cutting a hole to try to pull people out of there. that's the reason why this is taking so long. but now it's a real race against time and crews are up against it at this point, stephanie. >> my goodness, steve. our prayers are in mexico city right now. also hurricane maria pounding the dominican republic as a category 3 storm moving towards turks and caicos but not before causing widespread devastation in puerto rico where still no one has power and even more rain is expected. nbc's gabe gutierrez is in san juan. gabe? >> reporter: it is extremely difficult to get around san juan this morning, and this is part of the reason why. power lines are down throughout this area. power is out virtually to the entire island. many roads here are impassable as well. some streets are flooded. and we're just starting to get our first look at the extent of
the damage as the sun comes up. this building torn apart, the siding crushing this car. now, puerto rico's governor has imposed an overnight curfew as authorities here just begin to assess the damage. this was a powerful category 4 hurricane that slammed into puerto rico. the first such category 4 to hit the island since 1932. now, maria is continuing on its path through the caribbean, reintensifying into a category 3 storm as it lashes the dominican republic. but here in puerto rico, the extent of the damage is still being assessed. water rescue teams, including some from the u.s. mainland, will be here today to try and help those in need. but authorities fear this could be a catastrophic event and that power could be out for some areas for four to six months. back to you. >> four to six months. we have to remember, it's not like florida power & light can roll in with power trucks to get power back. this could take months and
months. we talked about this in the virgin islands last week. it could be a year there. puerto rico, it could be four to six months. this island is under serious strain. remember, it was financially crippled before this storm hit. we're going to take a break. next, as we said earlier, mitch mcconnell said he will bring the latest attempt to repeal obamacare to the floor next week, but what exactly is in the graham/cassidy bill? my friend, willie geist, thwas trying to get answers this morning and didn't get them. one of the harshest credit irit been jimmy kimmel thinking cassidy misled him about what was in the bill. >> i have a clip that i hope will make what happened with senator cassidy easier to understand. this is from last night's yankees game. so senator cassidy, he made a pitch that looked to be pretty good at first but then it took a dangerous turn and hit us right in the -- that's what happened.
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welcome back. you are looking live as president trump sits down with the president of afghanistan. we're going to bring that to you live as it happens. and the senate now set to vote next week on the republicans latest bill to repeal and replace obamacare in a frantic bid deadline. president trump is throwing his full support behind the measure, tweeting, quote, i would not
sign graham/cassidy if it did not include coverage of pre-existing conditions. it does! a great bill. repeal and replace. but is that true? we're going to have more on that in a second. at the same time, senator bill cassidy and his co-author, lindsey graham, are defending their bill after late-night talk show heft jimmy kimmel said cassidy had lied to him about pre-existing conditions. >> it was a personal attack and i can't help that. all i can say is if you're in texas, main, virginia, missouri, there will be resources in your state that you have not had and we have protection for pre-existing conditions. >> but look at this. major health insurer blue cross blue shield is now warning the legislation would undermine safeguards for pre-existing conditions by allowing those people to be charged higher -- anything higher premiums. nbc's kasie hunt pressed senator lindsey graham specifically about that. >> but states would be able to not cover people with
pre-existing conclusioditions - >> where are you getting this garbage? that's garbage. >> here's the deal. the kaiser family foundation's larry leavitt tells axios the bill does not let states waive the part of the affordable care act that says insurers have to cover sick people so technically it covers people with pre-existing conditions. but, and this is a big one, it does allow states to opt out of several other aca rules that can cause people with pre-existing conditions to pay a whole lot more for their health care and that includes the ban on charging sick people higher premiums than healthy ones. let's go live to capitol hill where msnbc's garrett haake is standing by. okay, the key question this morning, can the gop get these 50 votes to pass? >> stephanie, they're close. remember, they were close last time and the difference between being close and getting this done is all important. we're in movie sequel territory here where the plot is very similar, the characters are the
same and everyone is playing slightly different roles. where we stand right now, there is one hard no vote from the republican side on this bill and that's rand paul. that means to me we should keep an eye on mike lee and ted cruz, two other conservatives who have in the past had similar issues as rand paul when they thought one of these bills didn't go far enough. they have not said how they're going to vote. also watching susan collins who hasn't officially said how she's going to vote. she has really serious problems with this bill that i don't think are going to get addressed so she's likely to be that second no vote. now, who's the third going to be? we're going to watch the people who voted no last time and that's lisa murkowski and john mccain. kasie caught up with lisa murkowski yesterday and tracked her down. here's some of that interview. >> are you ready to support it? >> no. >> why not? >> because i am doing the due diligence that i committed to
doing yesterday. what i have had an opportunity to do is to sit down with my team, who has sat down with hhs and we are ferreting out lots of numbers. >> reporter: so murkowski is flying back to alaska today. she likes to do her homework on these long flights. stephanie, here's why i love the personal drama of the senate. last time after she voted no on the health care bill, lisa murkowski got met at the airport in sitka, alaska, from people who wanted to hug her and thank her for that no vote. she's likely going to remember that the next couple of days. john mccain also in very similar circumstances but with his best friend, lindsey graham, on the other side pushing for this bill. they are the two folks to watch right now. >> that is a game-changer for john mccain. lindsey graham is his home boy. we should note that lisa murkowski before she voted no and was welcomed with open arms by the people of alaska, i believe it was ryan zinke's office threatening her if she
did. elise jordan knows rand paul well, but rand paul and others, is this thing going to happen, 50 votes? >> i was leaning no, but i really think it comes down to the senators from alaska. i think also how senator dan sullivan chooses to vote. you look at how this bill is going to affect alaskans, their premiums are 75% higher than everyone else in the country. so if some kind of billion dollar slush fund is written into this bill, maybe you bring alaska senators on board. i think it comes down to those two key players. >> here's what president trump said. >> i believe that graham/cassidy really will do it the right way and it is doing it the right way. it has tremendous support from republicans. certainly we're 47 or 48 already senators and a lot of others are looking at it very positively. >> does the president have any sway here? his views, his opinions, his insults sway like the wind. >> he's got some sway in the sense that i think he's forced
the senate at the very least to make a show of this because after the last failure, donald trump was out there saying the fact that we don't have repeal and replace after seven years is a direct failure of republican leadership, congressional leadership in washington. >> fair point. >> talked about changing the rules. talked about not having the commitment to do it. so i think one reading of what's going on right now is this might be senate leaders, this might be republican leaders taking a look and saying we are going to establish once and for all that we cannot come up with the votes for this. i think they're clearly making a push for it, but as garrett was just saying there, the same dynamics that sunk it in the first place are probably at work this time. >> president trump makes the point, i won the election and i was ready day one to sign a repeal and replace. they failed me. did they completely fail him or did he put them in an impossible situation? what the president promised on the campaign trail and what republican ideals are, are two different -- >> the original -- if you want to say there's an original sin on this, it predates trump.
the republican party for seven years has said repeal and replace. the republican party didn't let this go in 2010, 2012, 2014, and then trump comes along in 2016. so you actually had a republican president coming in saying the same thing the republican congress had been saying for six, seven years, which was conceptually we want to repeal and replace it. what the republican party had failed to come up with in those six or seven years was a concrete, specific plan and what trump had failed to campaign on and produce upon taking office was a concrete, specific plan. so you had a merger of conceptual promises here on basically one-sixth of the u.s. economy without a specific blueprint or road map how to do it. so trump comes in and says i've got the votes, i want to sign my repeal and replace plan. nobody in all of that time produced it. >> even if the republican party came up with a concrete plan, what would be in their concrete plan would not be what he promised on the campaign trail. >> well, they haven't been able to come up with a smart policy that's palatable to the american public. you look at where the approval rating has been for these health
care plans circulated by the gop over the past year. it's been 17%, 22%. people overwhelmingly do not like these plans. and so how do you push forward a plan that is so politically untenable. they just haven't had the goods there. policywise, it hasn't been there, and mitch mcconnell might be good at getting votes together, but he can't sell a bad bill of goods. >> okay. if mitch mcconnell can't sell a bad bill of goods and we know president trump's approval rating in the last week has gone up and 70% of americans like the fact that he made a deal with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, kept the government open, funded relief for harvey, is the answer for mitch mcconnell pay attention, maybe bipartisanship is the answer? >> i think that for there to be sustainable health care reform, it has to be a bipartisan solution. that's also the problem with the original sin of obamacare, there wasn't any republican buy-in to it whatsoever. i think for this to be a
sustainable solution that makes people's lives better, that helps them receive the health care that's affordable and that also with more of a focus on prevention, yes, it should be bipartisan. is this going to happen right now? i doubt it. >> unfortunately this show is an hour. if we're really going to get into original sin, we'll need more. up next, my favorite part of the show, money, power, politics. my interview with michael bloomberg. his thoughts on coal, retail, taxes and his surprising answer to a question about sean spicer as a tv personality. remember, mike's got a network. . . your old magic set? and this wrestling ticket... which you still owe me for. seriously? $25? i didn't even want to go. ahhh, your diary. "mom says it's totally natural..." $25 is nothing. abracadabra, bro. the bank of america mobile banking app. the fast, secure and simple way to send money.
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how can u.s. states fight cli ma'am change if trump quits the paris accord? it is a concern many governors are grappling with as trump pledges to bring back coal jobs. i spoke with mike bloomberg yesterday with the new energy reality. >> coal on kikills. it's poe lutding toots at moss . but more importantly is it's just not competitive any are more. today natural gas and frac is much cheaper to use and solar and wind are cheaper still.
and those coal jobs are not coming back. there is no way anybody will go and buy more coal when if they put a solar panel out, they can have a better deal or he they can put a windmill out or use frac natural gas. but the government should be creating the environment where businesses can thrive and then let capitalism work. >> joining me now to talk money, power, politics, our cnn crib tore. ron, what is your reaction. bloomberg has said over and over it makes no sense to bring coal jobs back. president trump pledges to be a pro business president. yet it was mike bloomberg and the president keeps trucking with coal. >> if you will pardon this editorial comment, mike bloomberg should have been an actual billionaire who should have been president and he is right. there is no reason to bring coal back. again, not only for environmental reasons, but coal
employment peaked at about a million jobs and it's 76,000 dwarfed by solar and natural gas. and we are seeing energy costs by and large come down and fossil fuels will get less and less expensive over time as the demand curve bends, as elon musk puts up solar roofs on people's houses, as we move toward electric cars. both the united kingdom and china are mandating electric car usage opt. the president is simply moving in the wrong direction. >> and last week china mandated electric cars would be where they are going in the future and at the same time vladimir putin says the country that owns artificial i think tell against will rule the world. when was the last time president trump talked about ai. blamburg also talked tax reform.
>> we should try to repay the repatriate. the government has lot of muscle to do it. i've never understood why we don't have everybody pay taxes when you buy stuff on the internet. if i buy it in the store or intern internet, what's the difference? i should pay it in both. but there are lobbyists in favor and against all these different things and that is why i'm skeptical that you will see a big tax bill that really changes things dramatically. because there is just so much vested interests that have for a long time learned to live with the current tax structure. >> ron, what is your take on this? when i listen to corporations say they are held back because of the tax structure, i cannot find a fortune 500 company that pays over 20% at a tax rate.
i bhchlt ibm pledged this. when was the last time you saw ibm pay over 20% any sort of tax bracket. they have missed their sale tsz targets every single quarter since she has been the ceo and all they do is ride credits. >> and there are a lot of arguments about the tax code. mia we are a highest taxed nation. as you correctly point out, nobody pays the 35%. on average, it's about 20% which puts us more in line with the rest of the world. there are so many ways to mitt gh mitigate your tax bill. in some instances lowering rate to 15% would actually be harmful to companies that currently have a tax rate below 15%. and i also agree that we're not going to get comprehensive tax reform that broodens the base, gets rid of the deductions and credits. and ultimately lowers the effective rate. we will get tax cuts if we get
anything, and even despite claims to the contrary, i still think that they benefit by and large corporations and wealthier individuals. so a tax reformat this point is not really on the table. >> ron, i mean, please, we may have a high tax structure, but we also have highly paid, highly qualified tax attorneys, tax departments at companies that go to extraordinary lengths to paying those taxes. all right. we have to leave it there. breaking news in a meeting with the president of afghanistan, president trump announced there will be more sanctions on north korea. listen to this. >> are you going place more sanctions on north korea? more sanctions on north korea? >> yes. we will be putting more sanctions on north korea, yes. >> all right. hamly jackson joining me now. there you go. >> there you go. so we know that the president is meeting today with the leaders
of both japan and south korea, so there was the expectation that this would be discussed, presumably more at length than what you just saw as the camera was moving and he responded to shouted questions. >> if this were really happening, wouldn't the announcement be big sner. >> i'm not sure that that is it. i've sent a couple text messages and e-mails, but i want to know what kind of sanctions are they, where are they directed. because there has been a real question among experts about any sort of real teeth behind these sanctions would have to be aimed at china. and that is a step that so far the administration has not been willing to take. >> detail, details. people tell us over and over listen to what he does, not what he says. well, he just said some will noteworthy and we'll pay attention. back with more.
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